Curse

CagedinSanity · Dec 31, 2006, 03:28 PM // 15:28

One one think you would not suck enough to die on that anyway. Or be lower than a level 20.
I suggest always taking a minion master, they provide much needed damage-sponges.
I've done that mission with a tank, a dervish, and an MM. Only my derv died.

anna · Jan 03, 2007, 07:33 PM // 19:33

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Originally Posted by CagedinSanity

One one think you would not suck enough to die on that anyway. Or be lower than a level 20.
I suggest always taking a minion master, they provide much needed damage-sponges.
I've done that mission with a tank, a dervish, and an MM. Only my derv died.

I don't think that I understand your post. Either that or you didn't read my posts to understand what has happened to me. I have never died in the Vizunah mission, with ANY of my characters. EVER.

But somehow, my character account logged 1 death during the cut scene, and I had near full health (~555) immediately before the cut scene began. This ended my legendary survivor pursuit (my first).

Thanks for the helpful comments though.

Anna

Cherno · Jan 03, 2007, 08:26 PM // 20:26

Just be sure to ask everyone to skip the cutscene if you are going for survivor when doing this mission. If they aren't close the client and come back in, you will count as complete. As said in the other posts, it is the master-less minions or vamp weapons that are killing you, not the death from Shiro.

anna · Jan 08, 2007, 02:56 AM // 02:56

I just wanted to thank everyone for their suggestions.

I just got my new ranger through the Vizunah cut scene without a death. I partied up with a friend. Synching our mission entrance wasn't a problem at all. We ran a hero MM on each team, and didn't kill off the minions before the last battle. I believe we had more than 15 minions once we killed off the last baddie. We skipped the cut scene immediately after the last battle, and voila! Still on track toward legendary survivor (although it's gonna be a long haul becuase I only have ~300k XP right now).

Anna

GunnerDude · Jan 08, 2007, 03:43 AM // 03:43

ya, i was going for second surviver title , did this mission, and after cutscene i had 1 death

Sekkira · Jan 08, 2007, 06:06 AM // 06:06

Done it multiple times with my new Ele due to failing to get masters. Each time the scene wasn't skipped until after Shiro had one-hit killed us. I still currently don 0 deaths, so it can't be that, it's definately the minions.

I do remember a complete fluke with my Mesmer attempt once where I got through the mission and didn't skip, the minions raping my party after the cutscene ended yet somehow my illusion of weakness kicked in to allow me to survive that brief moment of burst damage. This particular event gave me the awareness of the ability to lose the title there, the threads about it popping up a few days after I had gotten through it.

That however was in vain as it did lose it later, but that's another story.

The Ernada · Jan 08, 2007, 06:12 AM // 06:12

I've said it before many times and I'll say it again: The survivor title is one of the worst idea for a title. It's done more harm than good (people screwing their teams by leaving to avoid a death, people getting unexplained deaths and screwing up the title) No other title causes so much wasted effort and no other title requires you to be both lucky and tediously careful. I really don't understand why it's such a popular title.

Sekkira · Jan 08, 2007, 07:15 AM // 07:15

I disagree, the survivor title is probably one of the best ideas for a title ever imo. Anyone here going after Legendary Survivor can go on about how frustrating it is and how much sleep and time is lost over it, hell, even I'll say that. But we'll all agree, every bit of it was worth it. It's a different way of playing, it adds a new element of danger to playing the game.

Anyone can die their way to end game, it takes some skill and good playing to make sure no deaths occur along the way and further.

Kimi Otori · Apr 07, 2007, 06:00 PM // 18:00

Any updates on whether Anet fixed the Vizunah Square bug?

Losttoapathy · Apr 07, 2007, 06:30 PM // 18:30

I can't believe that this is still dragging on. Having done all the quests in Kaineng I'm definitely not going near Vizunnah now. I'll complete all of Tyria and then I'll see where there are more xp to be gained. No way I'm risking a title I've worked hard on just because Anet won't move their asses to fix a stupid bug.

Kimi Otori · Apr 07, 2007, 06:30 PM // 18:30

Any update from Anet fixing this bug? Do the MM/vampiric/random deaths still happen?

Domino · Apr 07, 2007, 06:47 PM // 18:47

If you're going for survivor, Factions is not where you should be anyway.

all the mobs are like zerg rushes w/ spikes... the soul explosions are not so bad now, too bad everyone and their mother beat Factions a year ago, thanks for nothing A-net

dargon · Apr 07, 2007, 06:53 PM // 18:53

holy thread necromancy batman!

The Last Anthem · Apr 07, 2007, 06:58 PM // 18:58

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Originally Posted by Kimi Otori

Any updates on whether Anet fixed the Vizunah Square bug?

I just did Vizunah Square like 3 days ago with a guildie who synced from the other side we used no mm's got masters and still have survivor. Since there was a big update between then though it's probably best to test on another character first.

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Originally Posted by Domino

If you're going for survivor, Factions is not where you should be anyway.

all the mobs are like zerg rushes w/ spikes... the soul explosions are not so bad now, too bad everyone and their mother beat Factions a year ago, thanks for nothing A-net

Actually factions is very easy to through with a survivor if you know what you are doing. Use the flags to flag in the heroes/henchies to take aggro and then you can go in, bring self heals and a run skill and you're good.

Swift Thief · Apr 07, 2007, 07:14 PM // 19:14

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Originally Posted by Losttoapathy

I can't believe that this is still dragging on. Having done all the quests in Kaineng I'm definitely not going near Vizunnah now. I'll complete all of Tyria and then I'll see where there are more xp to be gained. No way I'm risking a title I've worked hard on just because Anet won't move their asses to fix a stupid bug.

Dude, it's called "Don't bring minions masters". Just use heroes and henchmen and hope that the other team is henchmen.

Oh by the way, the rule should be majority of those who skip cutscenes? It would be unfair for those who want to get into the storyline. A better idea would be to have the it so that if one person skips it, they can just move on leaving the unskipped people in the cutscene. But the current method is still much better because it punishes skippers.

Beqxter · Apr 07, 2007, 07:56 PM // 19:56

I did this with my survivor and two minion masters with full minion teams. Everyone on my team skipped (guildies in vent), but the other PUG team had people watching the cutscene. So I closed the game and quickly relogged in so the server wouldn't think I was still there. Logged into Dragon's Throat with master's in the mission and 0 deaths. Seemed to solve the problem just fine.

Jongo River · Apr 07, 2007, 08:57 PM // 20:57

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Originally Posted by The Ernada

I really don't understand why it's such a popular title.

I'm going for Survivor 1, because it's a nice challenge. After that, I'll kill my character on general principal - I'm not going to be stuck edging around the maps and rapidly exiting when the henchmen fail me forever.

A system that introduced a penalty would be more sane. Deduct 10-50K XP from your survivor bar (perhaps increasing the penalty each time you die), but allow you to continue working towards the title.

The problem with rewards in GW, though, is that when they're broke, you can't fix them, because of the contingent that would feel cheated when something suddenly got easier (or rather, less contemptibly tedious). Hopefully titles will be better thought out, if they appear in GW2.

Age · Apr 07, 2007, 09:00 PM // 21:00

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Originally Posted by KamikazeChicken

The rule has always and will always be to skip the cut, if you have a MM in the group. It doesn't matter whether it would be your first time to see it or not; you can always watch it when you go through again, and you know you will at some point in time.

That is for Thunderhead Keep not this mission and you can use a SS Necro for this mission instead of a MM and won't have to worry about it.

flipfly2004 · Apr 08, 2007, 03:35 AM // 03:35

i got my legendary survivor with my assassin doing almost everymission in all 3 campaigns... i also did vizunah square and luckilly i didnt get a death count because the other team was all hench ^^

btw i wasnt one of those who left team... i almost did all mission with hero+hench so i didnt have any problem with skipping cutscenes ^^

Edge Martinez · Apr 08, 2007, 06:16 AM // 06:16

My warrior had gotten to 12k away from survivor before he died in a PUG doing the Celestial mission. But I only realized I was on track for it at level 17, and then forced myself to NEVER abandon my post in the party just to get it. I feel good knowing I got that close without ever discoing or holding back. As for Vizunah square, I don't recall ever having a minion master in the PUGs. Ever.